Free database of GEDCOM files uploaded by German researchers. Database 37144 (uploaded 4 September 2011 by Matthew Scharf) carries the Butzbach Grüninger and Knabenschuh families and cites, via MyHeritage smart matches, the 'Knabenschuh Web Site' tree of John L. Knabenschuh and the 'Kraus' tree of Leonie Kraus. A compiled tree, so quality 1 for its bare datasheets — but many of its person notes are dated transcriptions and translations of the Butzbach Markuskirche parish registers, given with volume, page and entry number (the compiler's working file 'KnButz-1 of 28 Apr 1998', translations initialled RTS, B.Heil, AH), and those are cited at quality 2. The site is served behind an Anubis proof-of-work bot check, which a script can solve; it is not a paywall.
His birth event has carried no citation at all since proposal 2228 created it. GEDBAS gives the year 1838 and no place. The place on the event, Frankfurt am Main, comes from his own 1886 naturalisation certificate ('a native of Frankfort a/M Germany'); WikiTree Grenenger-3 says Butzbach, 35 km north, and this German source is silent on the point. The conflict is unresolved and the place is left alone.
Wenzel GRÜNINGER | Events: death 1911; birth 1833 | Parents: Johannes GRÜNINGER, Maria Sophia KNABENSCHUH
His birth event has carried no citation at all since it was created from the 1833 baptism. This adds one, and it is worth more than corroboration of the year: the German compilation records his DEATH as 1911, which is when Wenzel #82883 died at Burwood Road, Burwood. The family at Butzbach knew what became of him.
Birth1810 October 11th. of Maria Sophia Knabenschuh; at 6 a.m. ; the 3rd. child & 1st daughter / Baptised The 14th. of the same month. / Father Friedrich Conrad Kn.; bürger & Strumpfwebermeister / Mother Maria Catharina Freytag / Godmother Maria Sophia Knabenschuh [presumably born 1775 Feb. 1st. & not yet married], the daughter of ChristianKnabenschuh Strumpfwebermeister. / Signatures Friedrich Conrad Knabenschuh the father ; and Maria Sophia Knabenschuh the Godmother. / Ref. p89 of Vol.16, or p89 Entry 54. Kfam-214
Quoted as the compiler's transcription stands, run-on spacing and all; the slashes mark his line breaks. A CONFLICT INSIDE THE SOURCE: this detailed entry says she was baptised 'The 14th. of the same month', i.e. 14 October 1810, while the same person's summary note on the same page reads 'b. 11 Oct 1810 ... bap. 14 Nov 1810'. The detailed transcription is preferred and used for the date here — a Lutheran baptism three days after birth is ordinary and one a month later is not, and the summary line garbles other words in the same sentence ('Strumpfwebermeige'). The November reading is recorded here so the next reader can settle it from the register page itself.
Confirmation 1824 June 4th. of Sophia Knabenschuh, daughter of Herr Conrad Kn., Stadtrechner & Strumpfwebermeister.
Quoted as the transcription stands. It is also an attestation of the short form 'Sophia' for her, which is the name her son's NSW death registration carried to Australia seventy-eight years later.
Death $ 1879 November 2nd. of Maria Sophia Grüninger geb.Knabenschuh born 1810 October 11th. in Butzbach, the wife of deceased local gerber Johannes Grüninger IV. She died 1879 November 2nd. at 16:30 and was buried with Evangelical rights by the Pastor at 14 hours on 1879 November 4th., aged 69 years, 22 days.
Quoted as the transcription stands. The entry is internally self-checking: 11 October 1810 to 2 November 1879 is 69 years and 22 days exactly, which is what the register states, so the birth date and the death date corroborate one another. It also names her husband as a GERBER — a tanner — which is the trade both her emigrant sons carried on at Monkittee, Braidwood and Enfield in New South Wales.
the wife of deceased local gerber Johannes Grüninger IV
His trade, from the register entry for his wife's death in November 1879. Gerber = tanner. The same note adds 'Her husband Johannes died the previous June', which dates his death to June 1879; the person record carries the year only, because 'the previous June' is the compiler's summary rather than a quoted register line. This is the single most satisfying corroboration in the whole line: the Australian record has Wenzel advertising in 1864 as 'Tanner and Currier, Monkittee Hut' and his brother running a tannery at Braidwood, and here is their father, a tanner in Butzbach.
Married J. Grüninger [IV], 1830 January 31st. See record. … See Ref.5, p198, for marriage to Johannes Grüninger IV, Butzbach, 2 June 1830 ???; & their family of 4 children.
Quoted as the transcription stands, including the compiler's own '???' against the June date — that hedge is his, not mine. The same compilation states the conflict a third time in its summary line, '2 Jun 1830 (but Markuskirche Marriage Register says 31 Jan 1830)', and a fourth time in Friedrich Conrad Knabenschuh's year-by-year history: '1830 Jan. 31st. His daughter Maria Sophia married Johannes Grunuger [iv]'. Three of the four readings say 31 January and one of those cites the marriage register itself, so 31 January 1830 is used and the June reading is recorded on this event's summary. Nine months later, on 24 June 1830, their first child was born.
31st July 1803 Page 81 Entry 10 / On this day was the bachelor Friedrich Conrad Knabenschuh, local burger and master long sock weaver and the legalson of local burger and master long sock weaver Christian Knabenschuh, married to Maria Catharina Winter, the widow of the late citizen and master stocking weaver Anton Winter.
Quoted as the transcription stands. The marriage register names his father, which is the second record in this proposal to do so.
Birth 1778 January 1st. of Friedrich Conrad Knabenschuh / BaptisedJanuary 2nd. [the first son & second child] / Father Meister Christian Knabenschuh [I], local Strumpf Stricker [long stocking/hose knitter] / Mother Maria Christina Lichtenfels / Godfather Conrad Lichtenfels, the father's father-in-law. / Confirmed 1792 May 28th. See event / Died 1854 June 5th. See record. / Ref. p430 of Vol.0. or p430 Entry 1 of film.
Quoted as the compiler's transcription stands; the slashes mark his line breaks. This is a baptism entry naming both his parents — the generation above is therefore reachable from a record, and is deliberately left for a later pass rather than created here.
In the yearof Christ 1854, the 5th of June in the afternoon at half to six o'clock died Friedrich Conrad Knabenschuh, long sock manufacturer as well as church and city accountant and member of ..., 76 years, five months and four days old and was buried publicly on the 7th of June in the afternoon at three o'clock as per Christian rites.
Quoted as the transcription stands, ellipsis included — that gap is the compiler's, where the register named the poor-house committee. The age, 76 years 5 months 4 days on 5 June 1854, gives a birth on 1 January 1778 exactly, which is what the baptism entry says. His trade is given four different ways across the records the compilation quotes — Strumpfwebermeister, Strumpffabrikant, Strumpfweberfabricant and Stadtrechner — and the summary here carries all of them.
was buried publicly on the 7th of June in the afternoon at three o'clock as per Christian rites. … The witnesses were Carl ...mann and Wilhelm Klein, both local Burger and master long sock weavers
Quoted as the transcription stands. The compiler reads the first witness as Carl Zimmermann. He notes that none of the dead man's sons witnessed the funeral, because Johann Ernst had died in 1846, Christian was in London and Johann Heinrich was in Manhattan — worth recording as context for a family already producing emigrants a generation before the Grüninger brothers sailed for Sydney.
Birth 1769 Feb. 12th. of Maria Catharina Freÿtag, in Butzbach / Baptised February 14 / Father Johann Ernst Freÿtag, local shoemaker / Mother Name not given / Ref. Ref. 6 & 7 ; and p338, Entry 8 of film #1197070
Quoted as the transcription stands; the slashes mark line breaks. 'Mother Name not given' is the compiler's own note about the register, not an omission of mine — which is why no mother is created for her.
In the year of Christ 1819, on the 10th. of January, in the night at 11:30, died of liver and stomach illness at the age of 49 years and 8 months, Maria Catharina the wife of Conrad Knabenschuh, local burger and stocking weaver, geb. Freitag, previously the wife of Anton Winter, local burger and master stocking weaver ; and was buried on the 11th. of the same month [at 3 p.m.], publically and as per Christian rites.
Quoted as the transcription stands. The register's stated age, 49 years and 8 months, does not fit its own baptism entry: 12 February 1769 to 10 January 1819 is 49 years and 11 months. The register is wrong by three months, or the compiler has mistranscribed it; the baptism entry is preferred for the birth date and the discrepancy is recorded rather than smoothed. She died eight years and nine months before her daughter Maria Sophia married Johannes Grüninger, so Wenzel Grenenger never met this grandmother.
The date as the datasheet gives it. No register entry is quoted for it; a Butzbach Markuskirche marriage register search for December 1796 would upgrade this from a tree line to a record.
The date as both datasheets give it. It replaces the person-level marriage event proposal 2285 put on Anna Katharina when her husband was not yet identified; that event is deleted by this proposal.
marriage 28. February 1886 Butzbach, Deutschland | Children: 8. November 1886 Maria Christina Arnoldina SAUERBIER; 16. December 1887 Elisabetha Marie Sophie SAUERBIER; 6. March 1889 Johannes August SAUERBIER; 23. July 1890 Sophie Marie Ann Margaretha SAUERBIER; 10. May 1893 Johannes Hermann SAUERBIER; 24. March 1896 Konrad August SAUERBIER; 6. July 1904 Herta Margaretha Katarina Elisabetha SAUERBIER
The seven children are quoted here so the evidence sits in the tree even though none of them is created. Their first child was born nine months and eleven days after the wedding.
The burial date, which is the datable end of his life; the death date on the same page (12 February 1837) is refuted by his son's birth in March 1838 and is not used.
THE DOUBLE MARRIAGE. Johannes Grüninger married Maria Sophia Knabenschuh on 31 January 1830; three and a half years later HER brother Christian married HIS sister Johanna Katharina. A brother and sister marrying a sister and brother is a sibling-exchange marriage, and it is the strongest structural corroboration this German round has produced for proposal 2298: it puts a daughter of Johann Christoph Grüninger and Juliane Margarethe Preiss marrying into the same Knabenschuh household, in the same town, three years after Johannes did. The compilation's own transcription of the father-in-law's year-by-year history records both weddings: '1830 Jan. 31st. His daughter Maria Sophia married Johannes Grunuger [iv]' and '1833 Aug. 25th. At marr. of Christian [iii] & Anna Cath. Gruninger'.